tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post5766198530824040642..comments2024-03-18T23:25:55.606-04:00Comments on PUMPKINROT.COM: The Blog: Case Of The YucksRothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11329750481399948095noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-16110395838425013702011-10-10T00:56:13.565-04:002011-10-10T00:56:13.565-04:00Just catching up on this post, thanks for posting ...Just catching up on this post, thanks for posting this. I can assure everyone that I didn't sell this idea to whoever is mass producing it, and wasn't aware of it until Rot sent me a message about it. In a way, it kind of irritates me that they are making money off of this ghost, but at the same time it makes me kind of proud that something I made has made it to the level that someone would want to steal it. Rot's Cloaked Ghost will always be one of my all-time favorite props, and was the inspiration for my ghosts.<br /><br />I gave those ghosts away a couple of years ago by the way... and I am happy to say that they are still haunting, only in a different yard.Grimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05369930481493283849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-84642040078906751622011-09-08T16:09:23.265-04:002011-09-08T16:09:23.265-04:00Yep, I've had that discussion with other haunt...Yep, I've had that discussion with other haunters before-- give credit where credit is due, and don't pass it off as 100% original when you know it's not. <br /><br />But we will of course all be influenced by one another and great ideas will be copied and catch on.<br /><br />I just don't know where the happy medium is.NecroBoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08808789204019555560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-4321660932463846362011-09-04T12:30:45.206-04:002011-09-04T12:30:45.206-04:00Total blatant rip off! Although, no one could repl...Total blatant rip off! Although, no one could replicate the hand made detail lovingly put into a homemade creature.<br /> All this will do is make home haunters more secretive about their work whereas before most are helpful and happy to share their techniques. <br />Quite sad, it actually really shows what is wrong with the world today. <br />It's all about the almighty dollar over what is right. :(Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10484129953509429587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-28672484814580662802011-09-03T17:53:49.166-04:002011-09-03T17:53:49.166-04:00Change made.
Thanks, bro. : )Change made.<br />Thanks, bro. : )Rothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11329750481399948095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-83859459825114653142011-09-03T16:40:17.138-04:002011-09-03T16:40:17.138-04:00Well then, you really ought to credit Edward Gorey...Well then, you really ought to credit Edward Gorey on your new tinies page.<br /><br />Just saying.Marrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10848313072973179842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-84123004023536868402011-09-01T19:23:45.824-04:002011-09-01T19:23:45.824-04:00I need to be SUPER CLEAR about this.
My issue here...I need to be SUPER CLEAR about this.<br />My issue here isn't that a company is making a cloaked ghost. My Cloaked Ghost was made because I've always loved the Old School ghost with a cloak. My issue, and ONLY issue, is that this company clearly has based their design on a haunter's design - Grim's. Not mine.<br /><br />The secondary discussion is all about the previously discussed point that if a prop you're making wouldn't have existed had you not seen it on someone else's site, then you need to credit the source.<br /><br />To me, that's pretty basic stuff.Rothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11329750481399948095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-69186982838310393052011-09-01T18:54:45.471-04:002011-09-01T18:54:45.471-04:00I googled "faceless reaper" and came up ...I googled "faceless reaper" and came up with alot of online catalogs selling this product. Can't tell you who was the first one to have it on the market though. I did notice by one vendor that it is manufactured by Party Destination.<br /><br />When Rot first post the pics of the cloaked ghost it did remind me of the reaper from the movie "The Frighteners" The way it moved always creeped me out...NoahFentzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16857583831392830732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-83244309994920868872011-09-01T15:07:42.898-04:002011-09-01T15:07:42.898-04:00This really isn't a matter of motif theft. No...This really isn't a matter of motif theft. No one is claiming that they own the rights to a Ghost, or a Witch, or a Scarecrow.<br /><br />Though I think that there's also too quick a habit of haunters to distance themselves from the people they are emulating. I think if your haunt resembles another haunter's display, then that really needs to be noted when presenting your photos. <br /><br />In the case of this Ghost prop, there is no doubt that the inspiration for the mass-produced version came from Grim Hollow's Ghost. Lantern and chain in the same skeletal hands. The hood in the same bulbous fashion. The Cloaked Ghost existed long before the yard haunt, but this particular version is clearly the inspiration for this mass-produced faceless Spectre prop.<br /><br />So we're not talking about people taking ownership of something as generic as a ghost. We're talking about the instances of a blatant rip off. For example, if a one-armed Pumpkin-headed Sentinel creature appeared on the market, I'm sure I'd still hear from people "Well you didn't invent pumpkin-headed monsters!" And I didn't. But what I DID create was something original in a particular shape and design using a popular Halloween icon.<br /><br />Here's another example. If someone modeled their Haunt using the techniques of Stolloween, I'd certainly expect a mention on their site as to the source material inspiration. I think too often in haunting that necessary little step gets conveniently omitted. And don't even get me started on the moral implications involved if a person who learned to build pumpkins the Stolloween way started selling his or her pumpkins. Is it legal? Absolutely. Is it right, absolutely not. In my eyes, at least. <br /><br />But I'm pretty sure I'm in a vast minority on that issue.Rothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11329750481399948095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-58594961938371679652011-09-01T14:41:25.462-04:002011-09-01T14:41:25.462-04:00"Original" and "unique" are ha..."Original" and "unique" are hazy words in this hauntin' world. While direct knock-offs are disgusting, similar themes are inevitable. None of us were the inventor of ghosts, goblins, witches, ghouls, devils, or demons, and many of us draw on a mostly finite, overlapping stack of inspirations to create. Acknowledging and crediting each other when and where credit is due is respectable and reinforces the camaraderie in our community, but we can only follow the credit so far back. <br /><br />My point is that certain similarities are going to manifest themselves in a hundred different ways, because certain motifs are so entwined with Halloween. But motif alone is not grounds for finger-pointing and accusations of theft. Do I think that the manufacturers of disposable, factory-made plastic junk scour our photostreams and websites seeking to rip someone's design? Absolutely. But my fear is that the idea that haunters are ripping off other haunters, especially when a haunter tries to sell their props, will gain a little bit too much momentum. Guy X may have made a skeleton first, but Guy Y's skeleton isn't necessarily a rip-off even if Guy Y acknowledges the inspiration to do a skeleton came from Guy X. As Joel pointed out, anytime I see anything that resembles a cloaked ghost, whether it be Grim's, Rot's, or some tacky prop in a shop, I immediately think of The Ghost of Christmas Future. <br /><br />I guess what I'm really getting at is that noticing a blatant knock-off is much different than looking for stolen ideas, because we all know that if you're really looking for something, you're bound to find it.M.A. McCannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-4265549075813648532011-08-31T15:09:22.158-04:002011-08-31T15:09:22.158-04:00shotgun mario-
thanks so much for the google imag...shotgun mario-<br /><br />thanks so much for the google images tutorial! i had no idea, and backtracking through my wormholes is going to be much fun.<br /><br />i LOVE LOVE LOVE that this discussion is so lively. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside that so many people are incensed about this.pensive pumpkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02228801550471279348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-39011910761740993422011-08-31T12:21:41.278-04:002011-08-31T12:21:41.278-04:00Actually, I don't even see it there.Actually, I don't even see it there.beanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03668807528170355782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-47566187968159721752011-08-31T11:36:38.939-04:002011-08-31T11:36:38.939-04:00Ken, I'll be interested to see if they let it ...Ken, I'll be interested to see if they let it stay on the page.beanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03668807528170355782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-37722281541079794302011-08-31T11:26:29.315-04:002011-08-31T11:26:29.315-04:00Cheap looking. Doesn't look half as good as ei...Cheap looking. Doesn't look half as good as either the original or Grim's.Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10549482329105504858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-78839331365103275712011-08-31T09:24:11.989-04:002011-08-31T09:24:11.989-04:00This just sucks. Amazingly wrong indeed. I just po...This just sucks. Amazingly wrong indeed. I just posted a link to this blog on Grandin Road's facebook page. I hope many of their customers see it and complain.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06258535928525621887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-43513745500242852432011-08-30T15:55:25.433-04:002011-08-30T15:55:25.433-04:00Dave,
One of the first things I did when I read t...Dave,<br /><br />One of the first things I did when I read this was politely email Grandin Road. I said I was interested in buying the ghost, and wanted to know what company it was made by. Still no reply.Marrowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10848313072973179842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-71034645318933051162011-08-30T15:12:46.382-04:002011-08-30T15:12:46.382-04:00Boycott Anyone? I know that none of us would spend...Boycott Anyone? I know that none of us would spend our money on objects from this company(because we can make them), but maybe we can influence our families and friends away from the company. I know it's a feeble response to a bad situation, but I think that might be the only recourse the haunt community has."Strublay"https://www.blogger.com/profile/03734783490955214765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-42325860532730424352011-08-30T13:28:33.778-04:002011-08-30T13:28:33.778-04:00For what it's worth, you can't really blam...For what it's worth, you can't really blame Grandin Road for the design. They are just a distributor. Many of their same items can be found elsewhere such as Michaels,sometimes just packed differently.<br /><br />The actual manufacturer of the prop should be found out.Dave Lowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06697644776554772725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-27562853444313341722011-08-30T12:15:04.506-04:002011-08-30T12:15:04.506-04:00That was the first thing I thought of. That the l...That was the first thing I thought of. That the lantern was even in the same hand. So I shot Grim the link back when I first saw it and he acted surprised and said he was unaware of this product.<br /><br />So I'm hoping he was being honest about it.Rothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11329750481399948095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-61689384228625364902011-08-30T12:00:16.131-04:002011-08-30T12:00:16.131-04:00The best thing we can do in this instance is to ed...The best thing we can do in this instance is to educate and keep slapping these breaches of morality in the spotlight. <br /><br />As for the haunt community, there are quite a few props and original ideas which have become mainstream, and as such have helped to propel home haunting to new heights...PVC candles, FCGs, monster mud reapers, Pumpkinrot Scarecrows ( ;) ) different types of animations and such...haunters may put a new spin on them but they are never sold for profit, or claimed to be one's own.<br /><br />In fact, I've come across an extraordinarily few number of home haunters who have tried to rip off other artists. The ripping off primarily occurs within the big-name companies such as Grandin Road, as seen here.<br /><br />Like many, the cheapness of this reproduction is what irks me the most. $79, when you could make one for under $10? I too am often disappointed with the quality of Halloween products sold in mindless mass production, and that is one of the many reasons I turned to making my own props. What these companies do...it's just wrong. Taking advantage of this incredibly open community whose growth depends upon the sharing of ideas between haunters...and then claiming these ideas as their copy-righted own and pawning them off for way more than their worth...sick!!ShaoGhoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-53750462611525174862011-08-30T11:35:39.562-04:002011-08-30T11:35:39.562-04:00Usually when companies steal they change something...Usually when companies steal they change something up - that prop is pretty dead on. Are you sure Grim didn't sell his design to them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-22128704057253674842011-08-30T10:46:54.847-04:002011-08-30T10:46:54.847-04:00Unreal. And suing is almost pointless, because the...Unreal. And suing is almost pointless, because they have way more money to spend on lawyers and can just wait until your money runs out. They can start by claiming that the Grim Reaper isn't intellectual property and go from there, which is why they can get away with it.<br /><br />I too, have had a few things stolen, from my art down to a few of the things I do on my podcast. It sucks, no matter what it is, and it is very bad form.ShellHawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17705072702016925284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-42369823232777367942011-08-30T10:33:23.407-04:002011-08-30T10:33:23.407-04:00Goneferal, they definitely need licensing to use t...Goneferal, they definitely need licensing to use those characters' likenesses, and those film companies can be very specific about what's done with their characters! A few years back at Halloween Horror Nights here in Orlando, I was in a Friday the 13th-themed house, which featured multiple Jason actors. The house had to be laid out specifically so that no two Jasons could be seen simultaneously (kind of a no-brainer). Cast changes are usually a fun chance to startle waiting guests who don't expect twenty ghouls to file past them; but that year, all of us wore black hooded robes to conceal our costumes, and had to quickly pass the guests so they wouldn't catch a glimpse of Jason outside of his themed area. New Line Cinema was very specific about Jason's appearance, down to the color of his undershirt ( and we couldn't have skin showing that wasn't "scarred") as well as the appearance of Freddy Krueger and Leatherface, who also appeared at the event that year.Joelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16549842364301067280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-31799113824466517202011-08-30T03:37:24.739-04:002011-08-30T03:37:24.739-04:00As a college student who has had the idea that ste...As a college student who has had the idea that stealing ideas with out credit as the biggest sin since murder pounded in to her head, I am astonished. Not only was it stolen, it was badly recreated. Thats FUBAR man, FUBAR."Strublay"https://www.blogger.com/profile/03734783490955214765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-7188211284041868352011-08-30T00:21:28.555-04:002011-08-30T00:21:28.555-04:00Wow rot... that reaper is AMAZING! Both are just i...Wow rot... that reaper is AMAZING! Both are just incredible. I think you two should get together and seriously sue grandin road. Its not just a tip of the hat, its plainly and obviously STOLEN.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12370402832799002043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784285653010648547.post-16600709624236970112011-08-30T00:13:44.274-04:002011-08-30T00:13:44.274-04:00Well that sucks.Well that sucks.JHMDFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07261447934876868842noreply@blogger.com